Whoa. Scary.

Nothing like a pic to jolt one into reality.

Read this post from Steve at Careful Thought, which adamantly underlines the point that the god of Islam and the God of Christianity is NOT the same God.

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I'm a partially-homeschooling mother of six -- 3 boys ages 19, 17 and 15 years old, and three girls: 11, 8, and 3. I like birding, reading, writing, organic gardening, singing, playing guitar, hiking, the outdoors, and books. I very casually lead a very large group of homeschooling families in the Phoenix area. I have a dear hubby who designs homes for a local home builder and who is the worship pastor of our church. I live in the desert, which I used to hate, but now appreciate.

Posted on August 17, 2007, in Christianity, Sad Things, Scary stuff. Bookmark the permalink. 9 Comments.

  1. Oh Karen- you can guess what I’m going to say…I can’t think of a single muslim friend or acquaintance of mine who’d see that as anything other than barbarous and would agree that the God of that picture had nothing to do with their God. And do you think I’d have any difficulty finding equally barbarous activities supposedly in the name of the Christian God? There are people who do bad things in the name of religion – any religion.

  2. I do agree, with monumental disappointment, that history has produced barbarous tragedies, committed in the name of Christianity. I, too, would insist, “Well, that’s not REAL Christianity! That’s a travesty!”

    But what does one say when the holy text of one particular religion advocates its followers to eradice all who do not believe?

    Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”

    Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”

    Granted, there is a semi-similar thing in Christianity, where there, at the end of time, will be an ultimate judgement, but it’s God who is the judge of people, and determines their ultimate fate. Never does He give instruction to Christians to go ahead and kill off all non-Christians. The opposite is true: Christianity emphasises free will, and the kindness of God that leads towards repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 “The Lord…is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.”

    I realize I’m treading on delicate ground here, but it’s just one of those things where it seems to me that the spin being put on Islam right now is that it’s “really” a religion of peace, and only a very few are practicing “radical” Islam, or going outside of what the Koran advocates. However, it appears to me — and I will emphasize appear because I’m not an expert on Islam — that at its heart, it’s truly a violent religion.

  3. Rubber Chicken Girl

    It’s not a radical that does these things….it’s the genuine article who does so. We emphasize radical and extremist in our language to avoid “h*ly w*r” connotations. Glenn Beck was talking about that today. What the folks (committed followers) would like to do is this (in Glenn’s view): Do something really close to home/personal such as harming children in a public school and then draw the incensed, but unthinking reactionaries in the US out of the woodwork to burn mosques (sp) and then show the stupid photos to their millions of less passionate comrades worldwide to incite them to get on board with the agenda. So, I think people in the US use tame, inaccurate language for two reasons. One cuz they believe the myth. Two, to avoid stirring up the masses to the real cause and purpose of *slam as represented in their book.
    All that to say, you’re not wrong. Just scan the horizon of both recent and ancient history.

  4. If one can distinguish the God being worshipped by contemporary mainstream Christians and contemporary Islamist fundamentalists, then one can just as well distinguish the Gods worshipped by Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham, Cotton Mather, Martin Luther, St Augustine and St Mark.

    What is important is not to have great powers of judgment, but to have great powers of love.

  5. Shellie ~ I didn’t know you watch Glenn Beck! It’s the dreaded CNN!! 😀 I don’t often, but when I do, I like what he says. Usually. It’s not a radical that does these things….it’s the genuine article who does so. Actually, I was thinking of that idea shortly after I posted this, and after I had a nice e-mail exchange with (un)relaxeddad on the topic… I was specifically thinking about how a radical Christian — in the TRUE sense of actually adhering to the words of Christ — is a powerful force of life and love… and a radical Muslim, the “genuine article” who really follows all the teachings of the Koran is very often a powerful force of destruction and hatred.

    That said, I sometimes read this blog: http://www.ummadam.wordpress.com, a woman who describes herself as “The life of an African American, Muslim, Muhaajirah (Expat), from the hood, in an Inter-Racial Marriage.” She lives in the Mideast… Qatar, I think, and is from the DC area. I find myself very often agreeing with her views on marriage and motherhood, and I respect her devotion to her faith.

    So, it’s not like I think all adherent Muslims are violent. It’s just that, given the nature of their holy scriptures, you’ll often find that the strict adherents, “the real deal” can be violent in the practice of their beliefs, and violently intolerant of anyone who doesn’t practice Islam.

  6. John ~ I agree with you, sort of. I believe that condemnation of people is wrong; it’s not my place to do so, and the Bible teaches that there’s hope for ANYone and EVERYone. However, there’s also the concept of knowing people by their fruits — by what their lives are producing. There’s the idea of being discerning about people and their motives and intentions. While that one beer commercial is funny: the one where the couple picks up a guy holding an axe because he’s holding a six-pack, it speaks to a point that there’s a time when “judgement” is wise.

    Also, regarding the God of the men you mention being different… well, I reflected on that, and here’s what I came up with: God is multi-dimensional. There are limitless aspects of His character and personality, and what appeals to me about God isn’t necessarily going to stir the heart of someone else. That, I think, is one of the wonders of God, and what makes him a One-God-Fits-All deity. He’s perfect love, perfect mercy, perfect wisdom, perfect grace, perfect patience, perfect righteousness, perfect power, perfect peace, perfect fruitfulness, perfect creator, perfect provider and so on. Each Christian is likely to latch on to varying aspects of God’s character, and accentuate that part of Him, both in their witness, and in what they value. (That is why the collected Body of Christ — the Church — is so needed in its entirety, IMO, but that’s another topic. Sort of.)

    THEN, add that to each person’s humanity, and varying levels of (im)maturity, and you find folks sometimes shaping their perspective of God to fit with their personal desires, which may or may not be righteous. IOW, take a guy who wants to be rich for the wrong reasons — for power, for prestige, for proving his “worth” — and that man becomes a Christian. Without discipleship to correct those fleshly (ungodly, unrighteous) desires, it would be easy for him to latch on to various scriptures or teachings and warp them to the justification of what — in the larger picture — should be evident as ungodly.

    It would then appear that that man worshiped an entirely different God than, say, Bernard of Clairvaux.

  7. Love the Bernard of Clairvaux reference!
    So (sorry, being mischievous), what about the famous smiting God of the Old Testament – strikes me that a Christian who reads the whole bible could well develop a fairly violent strain of Christianity (Left Behind?) if they read selectively? Also, the term ‘radical’ is a tricky one – a radical Muslim could equally well be someone who adhered to the idea of Islam as a religion of peace in an environment where (such as Taliban-dominated Afghanistan) the norm is to use it as an excuse for patriarchal tyranny and violence against others (and I don’t know a single Muslim who’d accept that the Taliban are ‘true’ to Islam. Mind you, I don’t personally know any Muslims or Christians who approve of going around killing people…
    The key point is just as you say – “Without discipleship to correct those fleshly (ungodly, unrighteous) desires, it would be easy for him to latch on to various scriptures or teachings and warp them to the justification of what — in the larger picture — should be evident as ungodly.” Same for both religions!
    Couple of interesting links:
    This one starts off with a trick question!
    And this is Muslim scholar being interrogated about the same question.

  8. Oops – Karen pointed out I missed a link – here it is.

  9. Grr! WordPress must be in league with Pat Roberts (JOKE!) Enough of the HTML.
    http://www.faithandvalues.com/channels/islam_violent.asp

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